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  • $50 Oil / Economic Slow Down - Experiences?

    I'm interested in hearing what everyone's experiences are right now with what's happening in Alberta (or elsewhere) in regards to the economy due to the cheap(er) price of oil these past few months. Lots of layoffs announced publically, but you also hear of rumours of large layoffs happening under the radar. Real estate agents will tell you that everything is peachy, but yet it's widely been reported sales are down massively (especially in Calgary).

    I don't know about others on here, but knowing and hearing first hand what's been happening around (mainly) Alberta would be beneficial to me for work for job security, for parts of my day to day tasks in my job (I'm a buyer and purchase various metals regularily), in the fact I'm somewhat interested in buying a house again, etc. I like to be in tune as possible with what's going on around my home and the world, hence the thread. Hopefully others share my sentiments.

    Personally:

    Work related: I work for a company that provides various parts for the oil sands. About 2 months ago we got word that one of our sister plants in Nisku is shutting down permanently, and we laid off about 25% of our workforce. We are incredibly slow right now as the big oilsand sites deplete their inventories rather than place new orders. Sooner or later, they will order more as our product is essential to them operating, but it's just a matter of when and if we get the orders before we are forced to lay more workers off due to lack of work (in which case eventually we'll have to hire them back)

    I also notice WAY more sales people calling, both inside and outside salesmen. I used to maybe see 1 outside salesmen a month, now I hear from probably 4-5 a week.

    The GF works for a recruitment and consulting firm with branches all over Canada and has said that Edm is slower but somewhat steady, Calgary is at 50% from what they were a couple years ago, and Toronto is super busy right now.

    I've been looking for job opportunies since last August somewhat regularily, and the jobs in Supply Chain have dried up. I used to apply for 5-10 jobs every week or 2, and now there might be 1 every 2-3 weeks that pops up.

    Real Estate: Housing in my area of Edmonton seems to be fairly slow, but after a few price reductions, houses do end up selling after a month or 2 on the market. I was very surprised to hear that a good friend in Calgary wasn't able to sell their condo near the Stampede grounds last August and resorted to renting it out. Who knows if they priced it too high though? I got ride of my house in Fort Mac last fall and thank God b/c neighboring houses are still on the market since I listed mine, with record MLS listings right now (so way more competition to sell), and $20-$40k price drops from when they originally listed. I bought in 2008 right as the market was turning and the value of my place probably dropped $100k less than a year later. Over the next 6 years it barely recovered.

    Other: Life is pretty much going on as usual and if you're eyes aren't fully opened, you'd barely notice anything different, but look a little closer, and you can tell that things here in Edmonton are a little slower. Slighly less people in restuarants, easier to catch a cab on a weekend, etc. Interesting to see what will happen around here if this continues for an extended period of time? I've never really worked through it before. In 2008/09 I was up in Fort Mac and things slowed down just enough for us to take a breath (but things were still very busy up there). Oil recovered pretty fast though back then.
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    Re: $50 Oil / Economic Slow Down - Experiences?

    Personally, not working in a oil/gas field I have not felt any impact on my lifestyle due to lower cost of barrel. Well not true, I switched to the Petro 94 fuel since the fuel costs dropped

    From what I hear, majorly of new oil/gas projects have been halted and any remaining projects will remain funded until project completions. What does this mean for job security? Well...nobody is truly safe nor guaranteed job security anyways
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      Re: $50 Oil / Economic Slow Down - Experiences?

      I'm in Calgary and work for a land surveyor that covers both municipal and oilfield work. We were full out until only a few weeks ago. On the O&G side,we are expecting that our clients that deal with processing and mid-stream work will continue to keep plugging along, although maybe at a slower pace. The exploratory side of O&G has come to a halt pretty quick though. I expect to start noticing the effects of this in my business in the coming months. As for the city work, the publicly funded works that have already been given the go-ahead will carry on, but we are seeing a slowdown in new work. We are still seeing work come in from other industries though - we recently did a job at a canola plant, for example.

      We certainly expect a hit on our oil and gas side. We have done a few layoffs already. The upside is that we had a banner year last year, so with some managing of last years cash, we should get by until things change, or we adapt to new clientele. Myself, I'm sort of taking the same approach. I got a decent bonus recently for last year's work, and without knowing what the summer will bring, I'm not in a rush to go spend it.
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        Re: $50 Oil / Economic Slow Down - Experiences?

        Oil is cyclical like a lot of the resource industries. Just give it a few months, some hurricanes, civil unrest, etc, prices will go back up again.

        I haven't noticed any changes because Gas in Vancouver is $1.25/L, it dropped from $1.40, but it's still expensive.

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          Re: $50 Oil / Economic Slow Down - Experiences?

          Originally posted by N'Syncro View Post
          I'm interested in hearing what everyone's experiences are right now with what's happening in Alberta (or elsewhere) in regards to the economy due to the cheap(er) price of oil these past few months. Lots of layoffs announced publically, but you also hear of rumours of large layoffs happening under the radar. Real estate agents will tell you that everything is peachy, but yet it's widely been reported sales are down massively (especially in Calgary).

          I don't know about others on here, but knowing and hearing first hand what's been happening around (mainly) Alberta would be beneficial to me for work for job security, for parts of my day to day tasks in my job (I'm a buyer and purchase various metals regularily), in the fact I'm somewhat interested in buying a house again, etc. I like to be in tune as possible with what's going on around my home and the world, hence the thread. Hopefully others share my sentiments.

          Personally:

          Work related: I work for a company that provides various parts for the oil sands. About 2 months ago we got word that one of our sister plants in Nisku is shutting down permanently, and we laid off about 25% of our workforce. We are incredibly slow right now as the big oilsand sites deplete their inventories rather than place new orders. Sooner or later, they will order more as our product is essential to them operating, but it's just a matter of when and if we get the orders before we are forced to lay more workers off due to lack of work (in which case eventually we'll have to hire them back)

          I also notice WAY more sales people calling, both inside and outside salesmen. I used to maybe see 1 outside salesmen a month, now I hear from probably 4-5 a week.

          The GF works for a recruitment and consulting firm with branches all over Canada and has said that Edm is slower but somewhat steady, Calgary is at 50% from what they were a couple years ago, and Toronto is super busy right now.

          I've been looking for job opportunies since last August somewhat regularily, and the jobs in Supply Chain have dried up. I used to apply for 5-10 jobs every week or 2, and now there might be 1 every 2-3 weeks that pops up.

          Real Estate: Housing in my area of Edmonton seems to be fairly slow, but after a few price reductions, houses do end up selling after a month or 2 on the market. I was very surprised to hear that a good friend in Calgary wasn't able to sell their condo near the Stampede grounds last August and resorted to renting it out. Who knows if they priced it too high though? I got ride of my house in Fort Mac last fall and thank God b/c neighboring houses are still on the market since I listed mine, with record MLS listings right now (so way more competition to sell), and $20-$40k price drops from when they originally listed. I bought in 2008 right as the market was turning and the value of my place probably dropped $100k less than a year later. Over the next 6 years it barely recovered.

          Other: Life is pretty much going on as usual and if you're eyes aren't fully opened, you'd barely notice anything different, but look a little closer, and you can tell that things here in Edmonton are a little slower. Slighly less people in restuarants, easier to catch a cab on a weekend, etc. Interesting to see what will happen around here if this continues for an extended period of time? I've never really worked through it before. In 2008/09 I was up in Fort Mac and things slowed down just enough for us to take a breath (but things were still very busy up there). Oil recovered pretty fast though back then.
          Real estate brokers will always say it's peachy and shouldn't be used as a determination of the current environment IMO.

          It hasn't had an impact yet but give it a couple of years and the pinch will be felt. That's if there's no turmoil within the next few years.

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            Re: $50 Oil / Economic Slow Down - Experiences?

            I am a graduating hydrogeologist, and long story short, I am back at Tunerworks. The oil industry bust has crushed the environmental sector, so I hope it picks up sooner than later. New job postings have been super scarce.
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            • #7
              Re: $50 Oil / Economic Slow Down - Experiences?

              I work hand in hand with residential land developers all over Alberta. There is definitely a slow down in housing right now. So far our developer clients in general have cut down by about a third their projected sales for the coming year.
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                Re: $50 Oil / Economic Slow Down - Experiences?

                The company i work for's business (Water Treatment) is partially tied to the oilsands camps so that area of our business has definitely been affected. We have started to see turn arounds in bids and jobs and have started winning projects again in these areas. I'm just glad that we are diversified enough in a lot of different fields to keep the business going and my job secure, if our capital sales division is slow then people are just renting from us

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                  Re: $50 Oil / Economic Slow Down - Experiences?

                  I work on the exploration side of oil. Right now it is dead slow due to spring breakup and the price of oil. Rig count is so low in Canada that it is next to none existent. Our company has gone to a work sharing for all production and our sister companies have laid off more than 50% of their staff. Things are not expected to pick up significantly for the next year or so.
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                  • #10
                    Re: $50 Oil / Economic Slow Down - Experiences?

                    Interesting to hear how things are going and how quickly things have slowed, but that is the nature of Alberta, boom and bust! I am assuming this is a fairly localized slow down and other parts of the country (East) are not nearly as impacted as the other portions of the economy are not experiencing a slow down?

                    To contrast I would say the UK economic position is still just emerging from the GFC and depending on who you listen to things could go back down at any point, especially with the state of Europe and bigger issues like Greece. Saying that however I feel London is not impacted the same way being such a large global city with constant influxes of tourists, immigrants, foreign investment and a heavily diversified economy. I would say housing is up about 30% in the near three years I have been here and the market is not too frantic at this moment but has seen some insane periods and of course prices are mind blowing, especially when you factor in what incomes are here. There is a general election next month (I get to vote being a commonwealth citizen) and healthcare, immigration/EU and the economy are the big issues but it is really hard to predict what will happen next as a coalition is likely again.
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                      Re: $50 Oil / Economic Slow Down - Experiences?

                      I work in Oil/Gas and talking to most of my customers they have all laid off about 50% of their people mostly service companies. We are pretty quiet even in our mid-east division south america still seems to be plugging along tho.
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                        Re: $50 Oil / Economic Slow Down - Experiences?

                        Hmmm. Well ain't this a kick in my pants. Guess whose job got eliminated this morning? :( I knew this was coming, I just figured it was still 6-12 months away.

                        Been there for 2.5yrs. Until our sister site in Nisku shuts down in Aug they're going to have my equivalent over there cover my previous duties in Edmonton, and I have a feeling that she'll stay on after that as my replacement. Not sure if there's much I can do about that, but I might go talk to a lawyer today before I sign anything.

                        So if anyone knows of any sort of supply chain management jobs in or around Edmonton (prefer) or Calgary, PLEASE let me know! I've got 7+ years of Supply Chain experience and just earned my SCMA (old PMAC / CPP) designation last summer. I was just laid off from being a site-buyer, managing a couple of warehouse employees. That's what I hope to find again because I love it, but right now I'm obviously not going to be very choosy.
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                        • #13
                          Re: $50 Oil / Economic Slow Down - Experiences?

                          Look in the aeronautics field, where I'm working now. With fuel prices down business is doing well.

                          Check Air Canada, Westjet, etc... anyone who does shipping or freight will have warehouses and big supply chains.

                          I was where you are in January, Good luck!
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                            Re: $50 Oil / Economic Slow Down - Experiences?

                            I know Walmart is about to open a big warehouse in Balzac for high turn over items if they haven't done so already.

                            Sorry to hear about your job though, atleast you are getting compensated and have some time to look.
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                              Re: $50 Oil / Economic Slow Down - Experiences?

                              I'm in the real estate industry, mortgage broker. I have been doing this for 8 years now, and I am currently experiencing the busiest spring season of my career. I like to think that these crashes weed out the "part timers" and low quality brokers/realtors as sort of a purge.

                              One thing we've noticed is that the insurers (CMHC, Genworth and Canada Guaranty) are a little more thorough when underwriting applications in Alberta, if the client is in an oilfield related profession. Can't complain though as they straight up warned us of this.
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