Diesel vs. Gas

[turbomeyers]

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The shop has a vnt 17/22 owner. I asked him how his car does against his friends 1.8ts ... he said not so much good .

[idlandk]

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Yeah, I know. I was just posting a funny video. I have agreed on many points with you, however my point was that the TDI has a bit more
oomph on the low end torque,

Absolutely. No one will disagree with that. For daily driving I like the power being at low rpm's. It's just not for speed

[witchcraftz]

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lol this is a gas

Yeah, I know. I was just posting a funny video.

I have agreed on many points, my personal point was that the TDI has a bit more oomph on the low end torque, and when I'm driving I enjoy those few seconds extra of being pushed back in my seat. both t he TDI and 1.8T area great cars to drive the choice remains to the individual tastes and what you prefer.

[bobkatkat]

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LOL we can knock DJ for posting a diesel stg 7 tune with major upgrades against a stg 1.5 1.8t for sure!

That is true. The marketing material from Malone does look a little suspect on that stage 7.

[MechEngg]

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LOL we can knock DJ for posting a diesel stg 7 tune with major upgrades against a stg 1.5 1.8t for sure!

[bobkatkat]

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DJ I'm gunna troll hard here. Your saying the hand drawn dyno you posted where your ,let me get this straight, Stage 7? Alh is revving to 6000 rpm.? And making 250 whp but yet only 330 tq. I suspect this might be inaccurate. Since you claim 500 wtq out of such an amazing alh only posts ago.I mean my lowly 200 whp alh musters up 400 Wtq, so am I doing something wrong by not calling it a stage 12 ? Maybe my dyno was on an incline to make more of the 1.8t destroying magic tqs

C'mon you can't knock a guy for posting a dyno chart directly from Malone Tunings site!

[Special-K]

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I love my frankenturbo 1.8t but darn, i come up to a hill and I just hate my life. I tried to pull on my buddies alh but just couldn't do it. I really wish I bought a diesel for all the hill climbing here. (said no 1.8t owner ever)

I'm with you buddy my k04 1.8t just gives out on those hills. One time it just stalled out

[turbomeyers]

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DJ I'm gunna troll hard here. Your saying the hand drawn dyno you posted where your ,let me get this straight, Stage 7? Alh is revving to 6000 rpm.? And making 250 whp but yet only 330 tq. I suspect this might be inaccurate. Since you claim 500 wtq out of such an amazing alh only posts ago.I mean my lowly 200 whp alh musters up 400 Wtq, so am I doing something wrong by not calling it a stage 12 ? Maybe my dyno was on an incline to make more of the 1.8t destroying magic tqs

[idlandk]

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Curiosity now has me asking.. Did the person know you were racing them?

[dJ]

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I don't care if your climbing mt everest, diesels aren't fast...
I have the same 17/22 on my alh and my friends 1.8t will beat my car no problem whether it's up a hill, down a hill or on flat ground. He also has less money into performance stuff than I do. Diesel stuff unfortunately is not cheap. That being said, I love my car. You can't really think your car will beat a 300hp/300tq 1.8t. Their not Honda vtec engines. Have you even owned one?

I've done it, plently of times, don't really care if you believe me or not.

[idlandk]

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Right....Obviously you haven't climbed a hill against a car modified similar to mine because all you would be doing is sucking smoke through your vents.

I don't care if your climbing mt everest, diesels aren't fast...
I have the same 17/22 on my alh and my friends 1.8t will beat my car no problem whether it's up a hill, down a hill or on flat ground. He also has less money into performance stuff than I do. Diesel stuff unfortunately is not cheap. That being said, I love my car. You can't really think your car will beat a 300hp/300tq 1.8t. Their not Honda vtec engines. Have you even owned one?

[dJ]

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I love my frankenturbo 1.8t but darn, i come up to a hill and I just hate my life. I tried to pull on my buddies alh but just couldn't do it. I really wish I bought a diesel for all the hill climbing here. (said no 1.8t owner ever)

lololol. Sure buddy.

[harkema116]

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I love my frankenturbo 1.8t but darn, i come up to a hill and I just hate my life. I tried to pull on my buddies alh but just couldn't do it. I really wish I bought a diesel for all the hill climbing here. (said no 1.8t owner ever)

[dJ]

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Gear ratios are a big factor yes. But you still need all the factors that make for performance in an engine..Tq and HP. and then you need to find the area under the line for both and i assure you regardless of gearing the one with the most in both types cars in question here will be the victor. Please someone else explain to DJ a hill is not a deciding factor in power delivery.

A hill may not be a deciding factor to you, but to me it is. Those dyno's you showed with the tdi's having such a small usable amount of torque of only 2500rpms are just bad tunes and not enough fueling. I have lots of power all the way to 5500 RPM, all I had to do was install a lift pump to keep my power up in the higher RPMS. I know people have had success with Unitronics and UPSolute and other local tuners, but for TDI's, I'm talking on behalf of most people with a modded TDI here on the club will say that Mark Malone has got some of the best tunes available for TDI's. He's also got tunes for gassers as well, but I can't vouch for those as I have never used one. I go to the mountains a lot and generally have a full car most of the time. That extra weight makes a huge difference as to how much more your car weighs now with the added extra weight. Yes HP is the property of Torque and with more Torque you get more hp. Your first video is of a lightly modified tdi, the second is two gassers. Drags and dyno's hold no water for me. Maybe they do for you and that's what matters to you, but not me. Sure they give you some data on the power you have, but does it include incline, elevation or extra vehicular weight? If they do, which I'm not sure of then I will be more optimistic of the values of dyno's.

In the end of the day, people on here said they liked the feeling of being thrown back in your seat. I agree and also enjoy that feeling in every gear and especially up a hill. The picture below is without a lift pump installed, which would even out the line a little more.

[Circa1990]

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I also will take both my tsi cars . but i still love my 1.8t .
Have you had the tensioner replaced ?

Talking about my TD? Nope.
Not in any of my cars